1 00:00:32,810 --> 00:00:30,589 [Music] 2 00:00:35,810 --> 00:00:32,820 welcome back to disclosure team YouTube 3 00:00:36,830 --> 00:00:35,820 channel I'm your host Vinnie Adams and 4 00:00:38,870 --> 00:00:36,840 today 5 00:00:41,330 --> 00:00:38,880 my guest and myself we're going to be 6 00:00:45,049 --> 00:00:41,340 taking a somewhat of a deep dive into 7 00:00:46,970 --> 00:00:45,059 the 1993 CrossFit incident now this case 8 00:00:49,310 --> 00:00:46,980 for anybody that has heard of it is 9 00:00:50,990 --> 00:00:49,320 usually associated with black triangles 10 00:00:53,450 --> 00:00:51,000 and things like that but 11 00:00:55,189 --> 00:00:53,460 myself and David are going to sort of go 12 00:00:57,529 --> 00:00:55,199 into some of the details that are less 13 00:01:00,650 --> 00:00:57,539 often talked about that are but 14 00:01:03,170 --> 00:01:00,660 seriously really important points so uh 15 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:03,180 let's bring in my guests welcome back uh 16 00:01:10,330 --> 00:01:05,640 David how are you I'm fine hello again 17 00:01:15,050 --> 00:01:12,830 another Deep dive well it seems that a 18 00:01:17,149 --> 00:01:15,060 lot of these UK cases people have heard 19 00:01:18,710 --> 00:01:17,159 the names but there's very little detail 20 00:01:20,870 --> 00:01:18,720 known about them and I just think it's 21 00:01:22,789 --> 00:01:20,880 worth just setting the record straight 22 00:01:24,289 --> 00:01:22,799 somewhat on what people should be 23 00:01:25,249 --> 00:01:24,299 focusing on when they hear these names 24 00:01:26,870 --> 00:01:25,259 so 25 00:01:28,910 --> 00:01:26,880 yeah if you don't mind can you just give 26 00:01:30,830 --> 00:01:28,920 us kind of the brief overview of what 27 00:01:32,149 --> 00:01:30,840 the crossford incident really is all 28 00:01:33,649 --> 00:01:32,159 about and what happened 29 00:01:35,929 --> 00:01:33,659 yeah um 30 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:35,939 sure why it's called the cosford 31 00:01:42,490 --> 00:01:38,340 incident I mean there was one of those 32 00:01:45,710 --> 00:01:42,500 items uh was at Raf cosford which is a a 33 00:01:48,469 --> 00:01:45,720 RAF Air Base in the West Midlands and it 34 00:01:50,810 --> 00:01:48,479 was by a military police patrol but 35 00:01:52,370 --> 00:01:50,820 their sighting isn't really massively 36 00:01:54,530 --> 00:01:52,380 spectacular they were just out on the 37 00:01:57,710 --> 00:01:54,540 Airfield and we saw the same as a lot of 38 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:57,720 other people saw two bright white golden 39 00:02:02,450 --> 00:02:00,240 sort of colored 40 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:02,460 um lights what appeared to be 41 00:02:07,069 --> 00:02:04,560 um reasonably low in the sky but again 42 00:02:09,229 --> 00:02:07,079 this is the the problem 43 00:02:11,270 --> 00:02:09,239 um with with witness descriptions when 44 00:02:14,750 --> 00:02:11,280 when people are trying to estimate how 45 00:02:16,910 --> 00:02:14,760 far and how high something is I think um 46 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:16,920 because of them being military police 47 00:02:21,890 --> 00:02:20,280 that's why this this has become known as 48 00:02:24,050 --> 00:02:21,900 the cosford insulin but it's a classic 49 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:24,060 UFO flap I think that's what we can say 50 00:02:29,449 --> 00:02:25,980 that happened almost exactly 30 years 51 00:02:33,170 --> 00:02:29,459 ago and I think all in all there's there 52 00:02:35,210 --> 00:02:33,180 was about 70 witnesses to this event and 53 00:02:40,190 --> 00:02:35,220 it was in the early hours of the morning 54 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:40,200 of the 30th 31st of March 1993 yeah 55 00:02:45,229 --> 00:02:41,940 there's the interesting thing about it 56 00:02:46,970 --> 00:02:45,239 is we just put our clocks forward from 57 00:02:50,030 --> 00:02:46,980 um Greenwich Mean Time to British summer 58 00:02:52,790 --> 00:02:50,040 time so this is one of the things that 59 00:02:54,530 --> 00:02:52,800 confuses the um the witness testimony 60 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:54,540 because some of the people particularly 61 00:02:58,309 --> 00:02:56,220 the military 62 00:03:00,530 --> 00:02:58,319 um Witnesses and there were quite a few 63 00:03:03,890 --> 00:03:00,540 um military witnesses to this um 64 00:03:06,050 --> 00:03:03,900 sighting uh gave their descriptions and 65 00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:06,060 times in what what's written as Zulu 66 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:08,640 hours and what that what that means is 67 00:03:13,309 --> 00:03:11,040 they're still giving um 68 00:03:16,130 --> 00:03:13,319 we're still giving sort of um British 69 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:16,140 GMT when it really should have been a 70 00:03:21,589 --> 00:03:17,640 British summer time which is one hour 71 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:21,599 later so the local time the time of most 72 00:03:26,690 --> 00:03:23,760 of the sightings was I think about 10 73 00:03:31,009 --> 00:03:26,700 past one quarter past one in the morning 74 00:03:33,470 --> 00:03:31,019 whereas the people who were reporting it 75 00:03:35,750 --> 00:03:33,480 in the GMT were giving it as just after 76 00:03:38,330 --> 00:03:35,760 midnight so that's where you get this 77 00:03:39,710 --> 00:03:38,340 idea that there's there's a spread of 78 00:03:41,210 --> 00:03:39,720 sightings that there were things going 79 00:03:42,589 --> 00:03:41,220 on all through the night which isn't 80 00:03:45,410 --> 00:03:42,599 strictly true 81 00:03:47,869 --> 00:03:45,420 and also people misremember the time so 82 00:03:50,809 --> 00:03:47,879 what did people see basically and there 83 00:03:54,289 --> 00:03:50,819 was a host of sightings uh stretching 84 00:03:56,030 --> 00:03:54,299 from South Wales Devon and Cornwall 85 00:03:58,070 --> 00:03:56,040 um a lot in the West Midlands around 86 00:04:00,110 --> 00:03:58,080 Birmingham Wolverhampton Shropshire 87 00:04:02,270 --> 00:04:00,120 there was some outline sightings up in 88 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:02,280 South Yorkshire and I think there was a 89 00:04:06,830 --> 00:04:04,260 police patrol that saw something like a 90 00:04:09,530 --> 00:04:06,840 big glass-bottomed object with lights in 91 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:09,540 a triangle something of that kind 92 00:04:14,690 --> 00:04:12,060 um and at the time 93 00:04:16,129 --> 00:04:14,700 um people thought um that this was 94 00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:16,139 something that was just confined to the 95 00:04:20,150 --> 00:04:17,940 UK so the ministry of defense and it was 96 00:04:22,490 --> 00:04:20,160 Nick Pope who was on the UFO desk at the 97 00:04:24,290 --> 00:04:22,500 time you can imagine what was waiting 98 00:04:26,749 --> 00:04:24,300 for him when he arrived at work the next 99 00:04:29,110 --> 00:04:26,759 morning you know there'd be mountains of 100 00:04:31,670 --> 00:04:29,120 signals calls messages 101 00:04:34,909 --> 00:04:31,680 all of them given different times and 102 00:04:36,530 --> 00:04:34,919 locations and he he did his best to try 103 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:36,540 and pull some of this together and make 104 00:04:41,150 --> 00:04:38,820 sense of it what he didn't realize at 105 00:04:43,310 --> 00:04:41,160 the time and this has only come to line 106 00:04:45,110 --> 00:04:43,320 later was that there were also sightings 107 00:04:47,689 --> 00:04:45,120 in Ireland 108 00:04:49,129 --> 00:04:47,699 um the the Irish defense Corps had two 109 00:04:51,710 --> 00:04:49,139 really good sightings in fact they they 110 00:04:53,390 --> 00:04:51,720 one of them that was from a helicopter 111 00:04:56,570 --> 00:04:53,400 which reported what they'd seen is 112 00:04:58,730 --> 00:04:56,580 almost like a a near-miss near Shannon 113 00:05:01,129 --> 00:04:58,740 Airport again around this sort of ten 114 00:05:02,749 --> 00:05:01,139 past one in the morning and there were 115 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:02,759 sightings in France there were sightings 116 00:05:07,430 --> 00:05:04,020 in Spain 117 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:07,440 and looking at that now in retrospect 118 00:05:12,650 --> 00:05:10,320 any ufologist anyone that sort of has 119 00:05:15,590 --> 00:05:12,660 got a good knowledge of what the cause 120 00:05:17,710 --> 00:05:15,600 of UFO sightings tends to be if you've 121 00:05:20,390 --> 00:05:17,720 got lots and lots of people like that 122 00:05:22,730 --> 00:05:20,400 reporting something 123 00:05:25,370 --> 00:05:22,740 um right across Europe it's something 124 00:05:27,770 --> 00:05:25,380 very very high in the sky so what is it 125 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:27,780 is is it is it a meteorite burning up in 126 00:05:31,430 --> 00:05:29,220 the atmosphere we've had a lot of really 127 00:05:34,010 --> 00:05:31,440 good cases of this haven't we recently 128 00:05:37,129 --> 00:05:34,020 things captured on them 129 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:37,139 um cameras on people's doors and on car 130 00:05:40,670 --> 00:05:39,360 cams that kind of thing so it's either 131 00:05:46,129 --> 00:05:40,680 going to be 132 00:05:47,330 --> 00:05:46,139 junk and in this case 133 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:47,340 um we knew 134 00:05:51,770 --> 00:05:49,560 um because because this has again been 135 00:05:55,010 --> 00:05:51,780 well documented that the Russians put up 136 00:05:57,110 --> 00:05:55,020 a communication satellite into orbit on 137 00:06:00,830 --> 00:05:57,120 the night of the 30th of March Cyclone 138 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:00,840 or also known as cosmos 2238 and it was 139 00:06:05,450 --> 00:06:03,120 launched by two rockets and those 140 00:06:06,650 --> 00:06:05,460 Rockets fell back into orbit around the 141 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:06,660 Earth 142 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:09,360 um re-entered and they burnt up and this 143 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:11,280 is what people saw this is what the 144 00:06:17,270 --> 00:06:14,160 police patrol saw at Raf cosford and it 145 00:06:19,909 --> 00:06:17,280 was seen as two brilliant white lights 146 00:06:21,950 --> 00:06:19,919 in formation with a big vapor trail that 147 00:06:24,290 --> 00:06:21,960 they were visible for a long period of 148 00:06:25,129 --> 00:06:24,300 time comparatively you know two or three 149 00:06:26,990 --> 00:06:25,139 minutes 150 00:06:28,730 --> 00:06:27,000 and I've got to say it's one of the few 151 00:06:32,990 --> 00:06:28,740 sightings this one 152 00:06:35,510 --> 00:06:33,000 Mass sightings where a famous UFO writer 153 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:35,520 actually witnessed it um I don't know um 154 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:37,440 whether you've heard of a guy called 155 00:06:41,749 --> 00:06:39,120 Peter brooksmith 156 00:06:43,610 --> 00:06:41,759 doesn't ring a bell no he'd written he 157 00:06:46,189 --> 00:06:43,620 was very well known writer um he'd 158 00:06:49,930 --> 00:06:46,199 written two or three books on UFOs uh 159 00:06:52,450 --> 00:06:49,940 one of them with Paul Devereux called um 160 00:06:55,730 --> 00:06:52,460 I've got to say he's a 161 00:06:57,290 --> 00:06:55,740 particularly well-known skeptic but he 162 00:06:59,870 --> 00:06:57,300 was out 163 00:07:01,309 --> 00:06:59,880 um at one in the morning he lives in the 164 00:07:03,950 --> 00:07:01,319 Welsh mountains somewhere up in the 165 00:07:06,590 --> 00:07:03,960 presellis and he was walking his dog and 166 00:07:08,689 --> 00:07:06,600 he saw these two lights in the sky at 167 00:07:10,610 --> 00:07:08,699 just after one in the morning and it 168 00:07:11,689 --> 00:07:10,620 couldn't and he was perplexed he 169 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:11,699 couldn't work out what they were he 170 00:07:14,990 --> 00:07:12,960 thought they were military aircraft 171 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:15,000 initially 172 00:07:19,550 --> 00:07:17,280 um and he wrote a piece about it in one 173 00:07:22,010 --> 00:07:19,560 of his books so he I mean how often is 174 00:07:24,529 --> 00:07:22,020 it you actually get a well-known 175 00:07:25,969 --> 00:07:24,539 ufologist at the time anyway 176 00:07:28,070 --> 00:07:25,979 um who actually sees something that's 177 00:07:30,589 --> 00:07:28,080 been seen by lots of other people in a 178 00:07:32,390 --> 00:07:30,599 random sort of sighting flap of this 179 00:07:34,370 --> 00:07:32,400 kind 180 00:07:37,189 --> 00:07:34,380 yeah it doesn't happen very often at all 181 00:07:40,309 --> 00:07:37,199 for an incident in summary really yeah 182 00:07:42,409 --> 00:07:40,319 now that's it so I guess you know 183 00:07:44,150 --> 00:07:42,419 obviously Nick Pope sekas were taking 184 00:07:46,790 --> 00:07:44,160 calls and you know they were getting a 185 00:07:48,589 --> 00:07:46,800 lot of information coming in so what 186 00:07:51,350 --> 00:07:48,599 what happened from there you know how 187 00:07:53,330 --> 00:07:51,360 did this become more than it really 188 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:53,340 should have been 189 00:07:58,070 --> 00:07:55,680 well um what happened then is the 190 00:08:00,230 --> 00:07:58,080 there's been there were two files on 191 00:08:01,850 --> 00:08:00,240 this case that we released that the 192 00:08:03,890 --> 00:08:01,860 National Archives one of them was the 193 00:08:07,129 --> 00:08:03,900 secas file which is the one that Nick 194 00:08:09,469 --> 00:08:07,139 Pooh compiled which is 195 00:08:13,249 --> 00:08:09,479 full of lots of sort of scribbled notes 196 00:08:16,129 --> 00:08:13,259 he actually um he asked the RAF radar to 197 00:08:17,809 --> 00:08:16,139 look um scam look at the radar tapes for 198 00:08:19,670 --> 00:08:17,819 the evening and see if anything unusual 199 00:08:22,610 --> 00:08:19,680 had been um picked up and don't forget 200 00:08:25,129 --> 00:08:22,620 this is the time when there was still a 201 00:08:27,950 --> 00:08:25,139 lot of speculation about this um you 202 00:08:29,749 --> 00:08:27,960 know the the mythical Hypersonic spy 203 00:08:31,309 --> 00:08:29,759 plane Aurora 204 00:08:33,290 --> 00:08:31,319 um so there was 205 00:08:34,850 --> 00:08:33,300 this is in the aftermath of the Calvin 206 00:08:37,070 --> 00:08:34,860 incident and all the questions in 207 00:08:40,010 --> 00:08:37,080 Parliament about where the U.S Air Force 208 00:08:43,190 --> 00:08:40,020 fly in a reconnaissance um plane over 209 00:08:45,769 --> 00:08:43,200 the UK and also what seems to have been 210 00:08:47,870 --> 00:08:45,779 significant with Nick poop is there'd 211 00:08:49,970 --> 00:08:47,880 been a lot of speculation a lot of 212 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:49,980 letters written into him about the 213 00:08:57,710 --> 00:08:53,940 Belgian flap that had happened in 1990 214 00:08:58,970 --> 00:08:57,720 and he makes a link with the things that 215 00:09:00,710 --> 00:08:58,980 have been seen in Belgium being 216 00:09:02,630 --> 00:09:00,720 triangular shaped he seems to have got 217 00:09:06,590 --> 00:09:02,640 it in his head that this thing that had 218 00:09:08,210 --> 00:09:06,600 been seen in 1993 was also a triangular 219 00:09:10,730 --> 00:09:08,220 um and he and the Belgium flap 220 00:09:12,470 --> 00:09:10,740 coincidentally happened on the 30th of 221 00:09:15,350 --> 00:09:12,480 March and and I remember when I first 222 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:15,360 read his book open Skies closed minds 223 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:19,200 which was published in 1996 sort of 224 00:09:23,269 --> 00:09:22,260 two years after he left the UFO desk and 225 00:09:26,389 --> 00:09:23,279 moved on 226 00:09:28,670 --> 00:09:26,399 um to another um branch of the mod 227 00:09:30,110 --> 00:09:28,680 um and he puts a very peculiar line in 228 00:09:32,810 --> 00:09:30,120 there I don't know whether he was joking 229 00:09:34,970 --> 00:09:32,820 or what but he said something about um 230 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:34,980 um into peculiar that both the Belgium 231 00:09:40,790 --> 00:09:37,620 flap and this cosford flap both happened 232 00:09:43,070 --> 00:09:40,800 on the 30th 31st of March almost as if 233 00:09:45,290 --> 00:09:43,080 like there was an intelligence that was 234 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:45,300 that was controlling these sightings 235 00:09:49,910 --> 00:09:48,000 that knew that the sightings would be 236 00:09:51,769 --> 00:09:49,920 reported in the media and the Press on 237 00:09:54,410 --> 00:09:51,779 the 1st of April which as everyone knows 238 00:09:57,350 --> 00:09:54,420 is April Fool's Day so no one would take 239 00:10:01,329 --> 00:09:57,360 it seriously and I I even to this day I 240 00:10:05,090 --> 00:10:01,339 just think was he joking or what 241 00:10:08,269 --> 00:10:05,100 some kind of bizarre pun but you know 242 00:10:10,670 --> 00:10:08,279 it's just one of those coincidences but 243 00:10:12,290 --> 00:10:10,680 he was you can't get away from the fact 244 00:10:15,949 --> 00:10:12,300 that Nick poop is the is the person who 245 00:10:17,990 --> 00:10:15,959 propelled this this flap into 246 00:10:21,170 --> 00:10:18,000 um a classic case and it's been 247 00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:21,180 described as such in the in the Tabloid 248 00:10:25,310 --> 00:10:23,100 media over and over again you know like 249 00:10:27,290 --> 00:10:25,320 in the top three British cases now 250 00:10:30,470 --> 00:10:27,300 because this is what Nick poop has said 251 00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:30,480 it is yeah um our rendelsham cosford and 252 00:10:34,009 --> 00:10:32,640 possibly Calvin now 253 00:10:36,290 --> 00:10:34,019 um but 254 00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:36,300 I think it's a very poor classic case 255 00:10:40,670 --> 00:10:38,100 because as we've just seen it it's it's 256 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:40,680 an Aya food it's an identified flying 257 00:10:45,769 --> 00:10:43,860 object not an unidentified one and 258 00:10:47,930 --> 00:10:45,779 um what's been forgotten 259 00:10:50,750 --> 00:10:47,940 in all the discussion about this is that 260 00:10:52,090 --> 00:10:50,760 back in the 1990s we had a very active 261 00:10:54,829 --> 00:10:52,100 um National 262 00:10:57,230 --> 00:10:54,839 Association the British UFO research 263 00:10:58,790 --> 00:10:57,240 Association which is still ongoing but 264 00:11:00,650 --> 00:10:58,800 in the 90s 265 00:11:02,449 --> 00:11:00,660 um it's director of Investigations with 266 00:11:05,329 --> 00:11:02,459 Jenny Randalls and she was really really 267 00:11:07,970 --> 00:11:05,339 on the case with this one she she was 268 00:11:09,710 --> 00:11:07,980 she was inundated with citing reports as 269 00:11:12,050 --> 00:11:09,720 well and there was a 270 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:12,060 a chap in South West England called Doug 271 00:11:17,509 --> 00:11:15,060 Cooper who collated all a lot of the 272 00:11:20,090 --> 00:11:17,519 reports from Devon and Cornwall sent 273 00:11:23,269 --> 00:11:20,100 them to Jenny and Jenny had an overview 274 00:11:25,190 --> 00:11:23,279 of what had gone on not only in the UK 275 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:25,200 but she'd also had some of these reports 276 00:11:29,990 --> 00:11:27,660 from Ireland and I'm just reading here 277 00:11:32,690 --> 00:11:30,000 from a report that she did for 14 times 278 00:11:35,150 --> 00:11:32,700 on this and she says 279 00:11:37,370 --> 00:11:35,160 she was coordinating the event of before 280 00:11:38,449 --> 00:11:37,380 her and I soon concluded that the main 281 00:11:40,490 --> 00:11:38,459 sighting 282 00:11:42,710 --> 00:11:40,500 had to be caused by the burn up of the 283 00:11:45,050 --> 00:11:42,720 Space Jam and she'd actually check this 284 00:11:47,509 --> 00:11:45,060 out straight away Russia had launched an 285 00:11:49,670 --> 00:11:47,519 ocean reconnaissance mission from baikon 286 00:11:52,370 --> 00:11:49,680 or around the time of the alleged 287 00:11:53,810 --> 00:11:52,380 sightings and it was known as cosmos 288 00:11:55,670 --> 00:11:53,820 2238 289 00:11:57,530 --> 00:11:55,680 than the satellite's twin rocket 290 00:12:00,710 --> 00:11:57,540 boosters fell to Earth and burnt up just 291 00:12:04,069 --> 00:12:00,720 after 1am but NORAD you know the north 292 00:12:06,590 --> 00:12:04,079 North Atlantic command The Links of 293 00:12:08,449 --> 00:12:06,600 North America with the UK they weren't 294 00:12:11,269 --> 00:12:08,459 initially aware of it 295 00:12:13,550 --> 00:12:11,279 so when Nick Pooh made his initial 296 00:12:16,250 --> 00:12:13,560 inquiries via filing Dales they they 297 00:12:18,110 --> 00:12:16,260 didn't know about it they it hadn't sort 298 00:12:20,269 --> 00:12:18,120 of registered on their computer systems 299 00:12:22,190 --> 00:12:20,279 at that point so that's why I think he 300 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:22,200 was sent off on a wrong trail initially 301 00:12:26,949 --> 00:12:25,380 and she says in a in a summary this 302 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:26,959 seems to be a highly impressive 303 00:12:32,990 --> 00:12:30,480 encounter and 304 00:12:35,150 --> 00:12:33,000 um as as as has been speculated the 305 00:12:36,949 --> 00:12:35,160 number of witnesses does help prove that 306 00:12:40,970 --> 00:12:36,959 the incident was real and clearly it was 307 00:12:43,129 --> 00:12:40,980 but ironically in UFO terms the true 308 00:12:45,170 --> 00:12:43,139 strangeness of the sighting is often an 309 00:12:47,629 --> 00:12:45,180 inverse proportion to the number of 310 00:12:50,210 --> 00:12:47,639 witnesses so what she's saying there and 311 00:12:52,910 --> 00:12:50,220 I agree with her is the more sightings 312 00:12:56,090 --> 00:12:52,920 that you have as in this case the more 313 00:12:58,069 --> 00:12:56,100 likely it is to be something either a 314 00:12:59,509 --> 00:12:58,079 natural phenomenon like a meteor burning 315 00:13:01,970 --> 00:12:59,519 up or 316 00:13:03,889 --> 00:13:01,980 um space junk the fewer Witnesses you 317 00:13:06,769 --> 00:13:03,899 have the more likely it is to be 318 00:13:09,530 --> 00:13:06,779 something that is genuinely inexplicable 319 00:13:11,930 --> 00:13:09,540 so no absolutely yeah it makes perfect 320 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:11,940 sense and she'd had a lot of experience 321 00:13:14,930 --> 00:13:13,260 with these kinds of things because 322 00:13:17,150 --> 00:13:14,940 there's a very famous 323 00:13:19,850 --> 00:13:17,160 um case that happened on New Year's Eve 324 00:13:21,350 --> 00:13:19,860 in 1978 325 00:13:23,509 --> 00:13:21,360 um when another Russian rocket body 326 00:13:25,370 --> 00:13:23,519 burnt up over the UK and it was seen by 327 00:13:29,509 --> 00:13:25,380 literally hundreds of people a lot more 328 00:13:31,250 --> 00:13:29,519 than in 1993. and um the mod 329 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:31,260 um did an entire 330 00:13:37,310 --> 00:13:33,720 um case study of this and so did Buford 331 00:13:40,370 --> 00:13:37,320 and again what happened was people who 332 00:13:41,629 --> 00:13:40,380 reported it you got widely varying times 333 00:13:43,009 --> 00:13:41,639 there were people saying it was half 334 00:13:44,569 --> 00:13:43,019 past nine there were people saying it 335 00:13:46,490 --> 00:13:44,579 was half past ten remember this is New 336 00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:46,500 Year's Eve people are out drinking and 337 00:13:51,410 --> 00:13:49,380 celebrating had a future dream you know 338 00:13:53,629 --> 00:13:51,420 no don't necessarily make a clear note 339 00:13:55,850 --> 00:13:53,639 of when they saw what they saw and this 340 00:13:57,889 --> 00:13:55,860 was like a giant sort of Trail of Light 341 00:14:00,590 --> 00:13:57,899 in the sky again 342 00:14:02,210 --> 00:14:00,600 um rocket body burning up and and if you 343 00:14:04,009 --> 00:14:02,220 read some of the accounts from 1978 344 00:14:06,769 --> 00:14:04,019 people said they saw portholes in it 345 00:14:09,710 --> 00:14:06,779 they saw it as a cigar-shaped object and 346 00:14:12,110 --> 00:14:09,720 of you could make a case that maybe the 347 00:14:13,490 --> 00:14:12,120 UFO intelligence has knew that this 348 00:14:14,930 --> 00:14:13,500 rocket body was going to burn up and 349 00:14:16,269 --> 00:14:14,940 they thought well we'll come in at 350 00:14:18,650 --> 00:14:16,279 exactly the same time in our 351 00:14:19,850 --> 00:14:18,660 cigar-shaped object with part portals 352 00:14:21,889 --> 00:14:19,860 and everybody will 353 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:21,899 say that it's a rocket body when really 354 00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:24,240 it was a UFO so I mean but what are the 355 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:26,160 chances of that being well that's it 356 00:14:31,610 --> 00:14:29,360 yeah you know some people will 357 00:14:33,170 --> 00:14:31,620 you know be more likely to believe that 358 00:14:35,509 --> 00:14:33,180 that would be the case than others so 359 00:14:38,930 --> 00:14:35,519 but yeah I don't really buy that 360 00:14:41,210 --> 00:14:38,940 so if you want to bring up the the NASA 361 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:41,220 uh computer simulation this this really 362 00:14:46,550 --> 00:14:43,860 just put the case to bed really the um 363 00:14:49,370 --> 00:14:46,560 what happened was um Gary Anthony who 364 00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:49,380 was a very active UFO researcher at the 365 00:14:52,430 --> 00:14:50,399 time 366 00:14:54,530 --> 00:14:52,440 um it was a friend of mine 367 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:54,540 um he was the astronaut astronomy 368 00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:57,240 consultant for Buford and he had some 369 00:15:02,569 --> 00:15:00,480 very um high up contacts in NASA one of 370 00:15:06,410 --> 00:15:02,579 whom was Dr Nick Johnson and he actually 371 00:15:08,090 --> 00:15:06,420 managed to obtain a computer program 372 00:15:11,210 --> 00:15:08,100 um that simulated I mean this is real 373 00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:11,220 high tech for 1997 or whenever he was he 374 00:15:16,009 --> 00:15:14,399 did it and he actually replayed the um 375 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:16,019 the NASA 376 00:15:20,449 --> 00:15:18,060 um Satellite computer 377 00:15:22,250 --> 00:15:20,459 um images of that particular night and 378 00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:22,260 and managed to get a screen grab which 379 00:15:27,889 --> 00:15:24,720 is what you're looking at here and as 380 00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:27,899 you can see it very clearly shows at 10 381 00:15:31,550 --> 00:15:29,279 10 past 382 00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:31,560 um one in the morning you can see what 383 00:15:35,629 --> 00:15:33,600 looks like a 384 00:15:37,610 --> 00:15:35,639 um the ISS I think they've actually used 385 00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:37,620 the symbol for the ISS 386 00:15:43,610 --> 00:15:40,560 UE here yeah just here yeah slap Bank 387 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:43,620 over South West England yeah and then I 388 00:15:48,189 --> 00:15:46,380 guess this trajectory line here yeah it 389 00:15:50,269 --> 00:15:48,199 comes over Ireland 390 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:50,279 and then across sort of Southwest 391 00:15:54,829 --> 00:15:53,040 England but I think as well it says in 392 00:15:55,550 --> 00:15:54,839 some of the documentation I was reading 393 00:15:57,410 --> 00:15:55,560 that 394 00:15:59,329 --> 00:15:57,420 the visibility could have been seen from 395 00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:59,339 a lot further away more more like the 396 00:16:03,710 --> 00:16:01,199 Midlands than that because just 397 00:16:05,810 --> 00:16:03,720 clear views right up into the sky you 398 00:16:08,329 --> 00:16:05,820 know so it's not absolutely across 399 00:16:09,710 --> 00:16:08,339 directly above that trajectory line so I 400 00:16:13,090 --> 00:16:09,720 mean yeah I mean that just shows you 401 00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:13,100 right into Europe as well yeah France 402 00:16:20,449 --> 00:16:16,560 yeah yeah so disappeared off over North 403 00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:22,550 but that's not the end of it is it no 404 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:25,040 it's not it's not that cut and dry 405 00:16:30,530 --> 00:16:27,600 no because all these sightings were 406 00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:30,540 compiled in this costford incident file 407 00:16:37,310 --> 00:16:33,420 which um Nick poop copied to his 408 00:16:39,470 --> 00:16:37,320 opposite number in di55 and on this 409 00:16:42,350 --> 00:16:39,480 occasion di55 seemed to have played the 410 00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:42,360 the more passive role in that Nick did 411 00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:45,839 most of the um investigation 412 00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:48,480 um well can we even call it an 413 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:50,880 investigation because he never left his 414 00:16:56,090 --> 00:16:53,160 desk all of this was just done from 415 00:16:57,650 --> 00:16:56,100 collating Bits of Paper and making the 416 00:16:59,150 --> 00:16:57,660 effect the occasional phone call they 417 00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:59,160 didn't actually open his car and drive 418 00:17:03,050 --> 00:17:00,959 out and speak to anyone 419 00:17:04,730 --> 00:17:03,060 um the best the the if you can call it 420 00:17:06,590 --> 00:17:04,740 an investigation it was done entirely 421 00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:06,600 over the phone and copying Bits of Paper 422 00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:08,480 to all the mod 423 00:17:14,210 --> 00:17:12,240 departments so in actual fact the 424 00:17:16,490 --> 00:17:14,220 civilian ufologists people like Doug 425 00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:16,500 Cooper Jenny Randall's 426 00:17:19,610 --> 00:17:18,000 um Peter brooksmith they were the ones 427 00:17:20,809 --> 00:17:19,620 who actually did more of an 428 00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:20,819 investigation because they were actually 429 00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:23,160 out in the field talking to people yeah 430 00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:25,679 as did some of the journalists who um 431 00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:27,959 who wrote it up at the time 432 00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:31,260 so what you got when all this citing 433 00:17:35,690 --> 00:17:33,780 reports were all sort of listed and he 434 00:17:37,549 --> 00:17:35,700 tried to plot them on a map and draw 435 00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:37,559 arrows you can see if you if you 436 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:38,880 download the file from the National 437 00:17:44,029 --> 00:17:41,820 Archives website some of those um 438 00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:44,039 descriptions and and accounts are 439 00:17:47,630 --> 00:17:45,900 actually an error because you've got 440 00:17:48,890 --> 00:17:47,640 people saying that this they said that 441 00:17:51,529 --> 00:17:48,900 they could they thought these things 442 00:17:55,789 --> 00:17:51,539 were you know like a thousand feet a 443 00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:55,799 high or 500 feet I mean and it's anyone 444 00:18:00,169 --> 00:17:57,840 who studied eyewitness testimony 445 00:18:02,990 --> 00:18:00,179 particularly of lights that someone had 446 00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,000 seen in the dark of night where you've 447 00:18:07,549 --> 00:18:05,760 got new reference points you see a lie 448 00:18:10,490 --> 00:18:07,559 out on Earth are you going to know 449 00:18:12,289 --> 00:18:10,500 whether it's a five thousand feet fifty 450 00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:12,299 thousand feet you've got you just can't 451 00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:16,559 make a so it's all guesstimates really 452 00:18:21,049 --> 00:18:18,000 um so not only have you got that problem 453 00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:21,059 but you've also got lots of scattered 454 00:18:26,210 --> 00:18:23,400 um itty bitty sightings some of them 455 00:18:29,210 --> 00:18:26,220 earlier in the same evening so on the 456 00:18:32,270 --> 00:18:29,220 night of the 30th I.E before midnight on 457 00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:32,280 the 30 um first and you've got someone 458 00:18:38,570 --> 00:18:36,240 in the early hours sometime after the 459 00:18:39,470 --> 00:18:38,580 big concentration around one in the 460 00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:39,480 morning 461 00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,740 now 462 00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:42,480 Nick poop seems to have sort of come 463 00:18:47,630 --> 00:18:45,120 around to the fact reluctantly that the 464 00:18:49,490 --> 00:18:47,640 main clusterous items can be explained 465 00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:49,500 by the cosmos satellite although it 466 00:18:52,490 --> 00:18:51,360 depends what mood is in and what side of 467 00:18:54,409 --> 00:18:52,500 the bed he's got out of because 468 00:18:56,570 --> 00:18:54,419 sometimes you see him 469 00:18:58,370 --> 00:18:56,580 um interviewed and he he says oh it's 470 00:19:00,110 --> 00:18:58,380 completely inexplicable one of the 471 00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:00,120 classic unexplained sightings and he 472 00:19:05,870 --> 00:19:02,460 knows full well it's not unexplained and 473 00:19:07,610 --> 00:19:05,880 if you read some of the correspondence 474 00:19:10,610 --> 00:19:07,620 um in the actual Ministry of Defense 475 00:19:13,549 --> 00:19:10,620 files there's one particular 476 00:19:16,490 --> 00:19:13,559 um letter from the Vicente Juan the 477 00:19:18,890 --> 00:19:16,500 ballester almost who's um a very 478 00:19:20,630 --> 00:19:18,900 well-known Spanish ufologist and he had 479 00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:20,640 actually received a whole Space of 480 00:19:25,070 --> 00:19:23,280 sightings from Spain and he'd gone down 481 00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:25,080 a similar route to Gary Anthony and got 482 00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:26,640 the NASA trajectory and he'd actually 483 00:19:30,890 --> 00:19:29,160 sent this to Nick Pope at the mod while 484 00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,900 he was still on the UFO desk a big 485 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:32,400 purposely writes back to him and says 486 00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,600 yes 487 00:19:37,370 --> 00:19:35,280 um I accept that the vast majority of 488 00:19:40,490 --> 00:19:37,380 these sightings can be explained by the 489 00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:40,500 cosmos re-entry so I I don't understand 490 00:19:46,430 --> 00:19:43,679 how this can be a classic UFO but he 491 00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:46,440 would say yes but it doesn't explain the 492 00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:48,960 low level sightings yeah but that's 493 00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:50,820 earlier in the night and later in the 494 00:19:55,549 --> 00:19:53,520 night yeah I I saw something from him 495 00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,559 the other day because it is this 30th 496 00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,120 Anniversary you know he said he was 497 00:20:01,370 --> 00:19:59,039 tasked with investigating this incident 498 00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:01,380 and uh by the end of the investigation 499 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,780 it was not there were no you know good 500 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:06,000 conclusions to that could explain all of 501 00:20:10,130 --> 00:20:08,760 the sightings of of that that night yeah 502 00:20:11,690 --> 00:20:10,140 so you know I think he's still hanging 503 00:20:13,970 --> 00:20:11,700 on to those sightings that fall outside 504 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:13,980 of the hours where you know you can 505 00:20:19,549 --> 00:20:16,320 easily say it was this this re-entry so 506 00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:19,559 I think that's worth us then switching 507 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:21,840 our attention to because yeah one in 508 00:20:25,850 --> 00:20:23,580 particular we I'll let you go which one 509 00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:25,860 you wanna yeah the one that gets the 510 00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:28,799 most attention is um is a sighting that 511 00:20:34,669 --> 00:20:32,400 happened later in the evening now if you 512 00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:34,679 read Nick Pope's account of this this is 513 00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:37,320 the the sighting by the meteorological 514 00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:39,600 officer RAF strawberry which was a 515 00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:41,700 helicopter training base in the West 516 00:20:47,210 --> 00:20:43,559 Midlands in Shropshire 517 00:20:50,029 --> 00:20:47,220 and it's about 20 miles as the crew 518 00:20:53,390 --> 00:20:50,039 flies from cosford so 519 00:20:58,430 --> 00:20:53,400 let me set this up the um the police at 520 00:21:00,529 --> 00:20:58,440 cosford have um this sighting at 1 15. 521 00:21:02,270 --> 00:21:00,539 um of the two Bright Lights 522 00:21:02,930 --> 00:21:02,280 um they're getting and they're getting a 523 00:21:04,669 --> 00:21:02,940 real 524 00:21:06,350 --> 00:21:04,679 tears about this it's it's they 525 00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:06,360 obviously think it's something 526 00:21:10,490 --> 00:21:08,340 um that that needs flagging up that 527 00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:10,500 needs reporting to higher authorities 528 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:13,679 and they had a call from I think it was 529 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:15,840 a family living somewhere on cannock 530 00:21:20,510 --> 00:21:18,120 Chase who'd seen what was clearly the 531 00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,520 same thing but they'd seen it in an 532 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,679 ordered area and to them it appeared it 533 00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:24,720 landed and they'd obviously got really 534 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:26,820 worried about it and they'd phoned RAF 535 00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:30,299 cosford who'd their own RAF police had 536 00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:31,980 seen this thing 537 00:21:38,029 --> 00:21:35,400 um so the police at Gosford then rang 538 00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:38,039 um the the cop to base at shorbering 539 00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:39,600 which had actually shut down for the 540 00:21:44,029 --> 00:21:42,480 night so their operations had ended and 541 00:21:46,610 --> 00:21:44,039 shawbury is a base where you've got 542 00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:46,620 gazelles and Wessex helicopters so the 543 00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:50,580 the only person on the base uh after one 544 00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,140 o'clock in the morning was this chap 545 00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:54,960 called Wayne Elliott who um was uh the 546 00:22:00,409 --> 00:21:58,200 late meteorological Observer And he as a 547 00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,419 meteorological Observer will go out 548 00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:02,880 every half hour every 549 00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,740 hour or whatever it is to take 550 00:22:09,409 --> 00:22:06,480 observations and I don't really wanna 551 00:22:12,409 --> 00:22:09,419 you can put up his scribbled thing from 552 00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:12,419 the log book and he actually records uh 553 00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:15,000 the times of the sightings that were 554 00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:16,980 made because he then 555 00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:18,780 is that the one that says three possible 556 00:22:23,630 --> 00:22:20,820 sightings is it yeah that's the one yeah 557 00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:23,640 yeah so this is the the Met Office log 558 00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:25,919 from RAF strawberry which was compiled 559 00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:27,960 by Wayne Elliott 560 00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:30,120 um and as you can see there three 561 00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:33,780 possible sightings of UFO so 562 00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:35,100 he's got 563 00:22:42,770 --> 00:22:40,799 um zero zero nine z003 is that again the 564 00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,780 timings are all out because we know now 565 00:22:47,710 --> 00:22:45,360 that those that isn't in British summer 566 00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:47,720 time it should be an hour later yeah 567 00:22:53,390 --> 00:22:49,740 [Music] 568 00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:53,400 so um so the four people at Stafford is 569 00:22:56,990 --> 00:22:54,900 the family that I've mentioned the two 570 00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:57,000 RAF Personnel at crossford we knew their 571 00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:00,960 sighting was at 1 10 a.m not at not at 572 00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:03,780 half past midnight so you can see where 573 00:23:10,750 --> 00:23:07,740 the confusion yeah is creeping in so his 574 00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:10,760 sighting he's got a 014 575 00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:13,200 0140 but actually that's not being 576 00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:15,480 corrected either that should be 240. 577 00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,340 yeah that should be 240 British summer 578 00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,640 time so what happened was he got the 579 00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:23,039 call from short from crossford saying oh 580 00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,659 we've had this sighting ourselves and 581 00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:26,400 we've had this further report from 582 00:23:30,669 --> 00:23:29,340 Stafford there's a UFO it's coming your 583 00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:30,679 way 584 00:23:35,930 --> 00:23:33,539 so what did he do he went outside to 585 00:23:38,690 --> 00:23:35,940 look yeah and I think he made a couple 586 00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,700 of attempts and then he saw what 587 00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,440 appeared to be like a cluster of lights 588 00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,200 over a hill in the distance 589 00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,360 um two red lights and I think a green 590 00:23:49,549 --> 00:23:48,000 light and he watched this thing and it 591 00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:49,559 appeared to be sort of approaching the 592 00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:51,539 air base and it came lower and lower and 593 00:23:55,850 --> 00:23:53,580 lower and it was quite blue and making a 594 00:23:57,890 --> 00:23:55,860 loud humming new noise and he he 595 00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:57,900 described it to Nick poop at the time as 596 00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,240 a very large object somewhere somewhere 597 00:24:05,330 --> 00:24:02,880 between the C-130 and the 747 jet so 598 00:24:07,789 --> 00:24:05,340 that is large and it was projecting a 599 00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:07,799 beam of light down onto the um Hillside 600 00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:09,480 as if it was searching for something and 601 00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:11,820 this as he came out it went over the 602 00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:14,220 over the over the runway and overhead so 603 00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:16,500 that's the sighting that um 604 00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:20,400 that um he reported and again you might 605 00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:21,780 want to bring this up on screen he 606 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:23,820 actually um was interviewed by the Met 607 00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:25,980 Office magazine who published an account 608 00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:29,159 of it in under the lurid title The Met 609 00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:32,940 Ox files because the The X-Files were on 610 00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:34,980 TV at the time 611 00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:39,360 and although his name is that's the one 612 00:24:43,970 --> 00:24:42,299 yeah spooky sightings in Shropshire and 613 00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:43,980 as you can see although his name has 614 00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,980 been blacked out of the official file 615 00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:48,960 they actually name him there so that's 616 00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,419 how I found out who he was right his 617 00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:53,039 name is in the public domain I mean the 618 00:24:57,529 --> 00:24:54,600 Met Office magazine is a public 619 00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:57,539 published Magazine with his name in it 620 00:25:00,830 --> 00:24:58,500 um 621 00:25:03,169 --> 00:25:00,840 so as you as you can see he tells the 622 00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,179 story there and this was I think 623 00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,520 published um 624 00:25:10,370 --> 00:25:07,440 I don't know how long afterwards but not 625 00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:10,380 all that long maybe July August 96. yeah 626 00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,360 so some years afterwards so obviously 627 00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:15,120 this is where the problems of memory 628 00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:16,440 start 629 00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:18,360 um coming into this and getting times 630 00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,480 and events in the wrong order and if you 631 00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:23,760 listen to Nick poop's retelling of this 632 00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:26,520 story you have the cosford police seeing 633 00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:28,440 these lights in the sky 634 00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,820 um they phone 635 00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:31,919 um Wayne Elliott Wayne Elliott takes the 636 00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:33,960 call there's a UFO coming your way he 637 00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:38,340 goes outside and sees the UFO right 638 00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,440 right the same thing that's traveled 20 639 00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,440 miles from cosford but when you actually 640 00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,320 look at carefully look at the times and 641 00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:48,000 you correct the times for British summer 642 00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:50,760 time the sightings at Gosford are at 1 643 00:25:57,409 --> 00:25:53,940 15 or 1 10 in the morning Wayne Elliot 644 00:26:00,769 --> 00:25:57,419 sighting was at 2 40. I mean one and a 645 00:26:03,230 --> 00:26:00,779 half hours later so this fantastic high 646 00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:03,240 performance UFO took an hour and a half 647 00:26:08,289 --> 00:26:06,600 to travel the 20 miles from Oxford to 648 00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:08,299 Strawberry 649 00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:12,120 so folks yeah we're talking about UFO 650 00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,440 here and you're talking about something 651 00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:14,640 that was seen at Gosford and you're 652 00:26:18,049 --> 00:26:15,659 talking about something in the scene 653 00:26:20,029 --> 00:26:18,059 that caught strawberry bought I think 654 00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:20,039 any anyone with common sense would 655 00:26:24,769 --> 00:26:22,860 conclude based upon that is the two 656 00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:24,779 separate things the way that Wayne 657 00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:27,960 Elliott saw wasn't the same thing as was 658 00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:30,059 seen at cosford and this is where all 659 00:26:33,230 --> 00:26:31,620 these things start getting lumped 660 00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:33,240 together and particularly when you get 661 00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:36,120 tumbling newspapers involved in in 662 00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:38,520 writing up stories like this and you get 663 00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:40,140 TV programs because there was a 664 00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:42,840 notorious Channel 5 program that was 665 00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:44,760 made on cosford that I had The 666 00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:48,000 Misfortune of Being involved in briefly 667 00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:51,299 um but again the way it was presented 668 00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:54,299 didn't point out any of these facts so 669 00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:55,740 you watch the program and you think oh 670 00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:57,480 yeah fantastic yeah there's all these 671 00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,500 sightings even though he didn't 672 00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,480 interview any Witnesses I think just one 673 00:27:04,250 --> 00:27:02,640 witness 674 00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:04,260 um and you come away from that thinking 675 00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:06,539 oh yeah you know it's you know there was 676 00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:08,039 these sightings it couldn't possibly 677 00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,620 have been a satellite 678 00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:12,960 um boosted burn up because that was too 679 00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:15,059 high in the sky and this than the other 680 00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:18,419 but when you as you as you do if you 681 00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,100 take the subject seriously you put the 682 00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:21,679 actual documentary evidence under 683 00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:25,919 scrutiny under the microscope it's not 684 00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:28,679 as it's been told there is the the story 685 00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:30,600 as it's been told and there are the 686 00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,480 facts and the two diverge 687 00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,000 the more you look at them no absolutely 688 00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:38,159 and this is the thing when I first heard 689 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:40,460 about this case it was this meteor 690 00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,100 meteorological officer stood outside 691 00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:46,080 looking up at this giant triangle going 692 00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:47,400 over his head and of course I'm like oh 693 00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:49,500 my goodness that sounds amazing I want 694 00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:51,120 to know more about this case but I I 695 00:27:55,789 --> 00:27:52,980 didn't look into it until a few years 696 00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:55,799 later but that's where this has really 697 00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:58,500 come from this triangular craft and and 698 00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:00,120 the time differences like you say of 699 00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:02,100 this thing shooting 700 00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:04,860 20 miles in what initially people were 701 00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:06,179 saying was a minute or a matter of 702 00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,820 seconds but it wasn't and this is why 703 00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:10,740 these cases need to be looked at 704 00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:13,140 properly so that we can put them to one 705 00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:14,580 side and actually go and focus on other 706 00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:16,679 things that that we don't need these 707 00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:18,659 cases hanging around for years and years 708 00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:22,799 so I think it might be worth talking 709 00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:26,340 about Wayne Elliott and the fact that I 710 00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:28,140 contacted him when I was looking into 711 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:30,419 this in 2005 and he gave it on the 712 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,220 record 713 00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:34,320 um interview about what he remembered 714 00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,320 about it and it really opened my eyes 715 00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,600 and what what led me to try and track 716 00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:41,279 him down was there was a letter in the 717 00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,480 Daily Mail 718 00:28:47,390 --> 00:28:44,880 again you might want to bring this up on 719 00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:47,400 screen Vinnie this is from um 720 00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,220 um a military I think an RAF person who 721 00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:52,740 was actually on RAF cost from base at 722 00:28:57,169 --> 00:28:54,779 the time 723 00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,179 um and he'd he'd like everyone else and 724 00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,039 heard Nick poop's account of this 725 00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:02,159 incredible I I mean I remember listening 726 00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:04,260 to him and I went to see him at the uh 727 00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,299 Science Festival in Newcastle and he was 728 00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:07,919 talking about the strawberry sighting 729 00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:10,740 and it was a to use his own words a vast 730 00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,020 triangular shaped craft flying at about 731 00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:15,840 200 feet that made a low frequency 732 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,120 humming noise and fired a narrow Beam 733 00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,640 with light which swept the ground sounds 734 00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,620 impressive but yeah 735 00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:24,240 am I bringing up sorry is it the small 736 00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:25,799 newspaper clipping yeah bring up this 737 00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,720 bring up the newspaper cutting yeah this 738 00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:29,580 is this was published in the new Daily 739 00:29:36,289 --> 00:29:32,940 Mail in 2005. in response to her this 740 00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:36,299 one I think yeah a big piece about the 741 00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:38,220 um the strawberry sightings so Norman 742 00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:39,240 Fitch 743 00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,820 he got friends at Raf cosford 744 00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:44,159 and he just dropped this in the UFO has 745 00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:45,600 supposedly seen 746 00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:48,899 March 31st 1993 was later identified as 747 00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:50,760 a David Powers police helicopter 748 00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:52,860 following a stolen car down the A5 749 00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,500 between the a49 junction and nestless 750 00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,120 and anyone who's seen a police 751 00:30:01,070 --> 00:29:59,039 helicopter knows that they use these 752 00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:01,080 some night Suns which can be pretty 753 00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:03,179 dazzling if you've seen them searching 754 00:30:07,730 --> 00:30:05,700 searching fields 755 00:30:09,409 --> 00:30:07,740 um the friend who operates from Aria 756 00:30:10,909 --> 00:30:09,419 strawberry adds the humming noise and 757 00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:10,919 hygiene maneuvering seems to have been 758 00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:12,600 the effect of an overactive imagination 759 00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,460 almost certainly fueled by a couple of 760 00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:17,360 snifters in the mess 761 00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:20,640 I'm sure I'm sure he's not talking about 762 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,360 um 763 00:30:24,649 --> 00:30:23,760 the metal the Mets and officer here 764 00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:24,659 because 765 00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:26,760 um Wayne Elliott's account was very 766 00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:28,260 clear and very 767 00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,679 um precise and so I I haven't seen this 768 00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:33,779 I just thought this is interesting so I 769 00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:36,299 put in Freedom of Information requests 770 00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:40,380 to both the David Powers police and to I 771 00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,179 think it was West Mercier because both 772 00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:44,159 of them operated 773 00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:44,760 um 774 00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,700 police helicopters at the time so I 775 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,200 asked them have you got your log books 776 00:30:52,909 --> 00:30:51,360 from 1993 and unfortunately as anyone 777 00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:52,919 who's tried to to get this kind of 778 00:30:57,529 --> 00:30:55,020 information out of the police they don't 779 00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,539 keep log books and information for that 780 00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:59,039 length of time remember I was checking 781 00:31:03,769 --> 00:31:00,000 this out 782 00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:03,779 in 2005 about an event that happened 12 783 00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:05,820 years earlier so 784 00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:09,419 although it sounds a good idea 785 00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:11,340 um we couldn't we could not 786 00:31:15,409 --> 00:31:13,500 um say for definite that that's what was 787 00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:15,419 happening so I I thought well right well 788 00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:16,980 okay I'll phone I'll get in touch with 789 00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:19,260 Wayne Elliott and I'll I'll put this to 790 00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:21,419 him and of course Nick Pope's attitude 791 00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:23,880 was uh this was a helicopter base they 792 00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:25,320 were flying Wessex and gazelle 793 00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,260 helicopters how could someone who was 794 00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:30,840 based there who sees helicopters every 795 00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:33,480 day be mistaken if it was a police 796 00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:35,460 helicopter well the same argument was 797 00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,580 used at Randall shamonte how could the 798 00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,080 Airman who must have seen the flashing 799 00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:41,760 search like on the Orford Nest 800 00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:44,760 Lighthouse spent two hours chasing the 801 00:31:48,769 --> 00:31:46,380 flashing light before they realized it 802 00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:48,779 was a lighthouse but that is what 803 00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:53,700 happened and if you're in a forest at 804 00:31:58,430 --> 00:31:56,340 night it's dark and you see a flashing 805 00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:58,440 light all kinds of weird things can 806 00:32:01,610 --> 00:31:59,880 appear to happen you know if you're 807 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:01,620 disorientated and you don't know the 808 00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:04,200 location now 809 00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:04,980 um 810 00:32:09,769 --> 00:32:06,779 you may want to you may want to read 811 00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:09,779 what um Wayne Elliott told me because I 812 00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:12,659 took it down in shorthand and um 813 00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:15,659 transcribed it thereafter and it I was 814 00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,940 stunned by what he said it's quite 815 00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,440 lengthy but I will read it all because I 816 00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:21,600 think it's important so this is notes 817 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:22,919 from the phone conversation with Wayne 818 00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:25,080 Elliott from the Met Office 29th of 819 00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,960 March 2005. I was an observer at the 820 00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,000 station at the time I got a call from 821 00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,919 the mod police at cosford to say this 822 00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:33,600 family had seen something land in a 823 00:32:37,549 --> 00:32:35,460 field and had a close look at the craft 824 00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,559 which had then shot off and they were 825 00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:39,840 really scared the police at cosford had 826 00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:41,520 also seen this and they had received 827 00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:43,320 dozens of calls from people in the west 828 00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:46,020 country who had seen something similar 829 00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,760 at the time I knew nothing of the 830 00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:50,159 existence of Nick Pope or the Mod UFO 831 00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:52,500 unit cosford made the inquiries and 832 00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,360 spoke to me about it and my account went 833 00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:57,120 to Pope second hand via them we were 834 00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,159 always receiving calls about UFOs and I 835 00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:01,140 didn't think anything of it at all 836 00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:03,059 they alerted me but I had not seen 837 00:33:06,409 --> 00:33:04,980 anything it wasn't until it wasn't until 838 00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:06,419 I went out to take the hourly 839 00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,220 observation that I saw two white lights 840 00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:10,559 in the Eastern Sky which would be 841 00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:12,600 towards cosford they stopped to the 842 00:33:15,769 --> 00:33:14,100 north of the Airfield over the hill I 843 00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:15,779 used to make some of my met observations 844 00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:17,640 which was about seven kilometers away 845 00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:19,740 they stayed there for about 10 minutes 846 00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,720 and I then saw what appeared to be a 847 00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:23,039 beamer light scanning the hillside 848 00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,080 beneath it it stayed there for quite 849 00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,640 some time and I was about to give up and 850 00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:28,799 go back in then suddenly the Beamer 851 00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:30,600 light switched off and it flew off 852 00:33:34,669 --> 00:33:32,340 across the Airfield it would be about a 853 00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,679 thousand feet the noise was odd I 854 00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:36,000 thought it was not what you would hear 855 00:33:39,409 --> 00:33:37,740 from a fast jet as I was used to seeing 856 00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:39,419 tornadoes and harriers 857 00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,640 I have also seen military helicopters at 858 00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:43,679 strawberry our strawberry was a copter 859 00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,779 base and it seemed to go too fast for a 860 00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:47,279 copter I would have said it was more 861 00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:49,740 like a fixed-wing aircraft 862 00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:51,419 there was no one else around at the time 863 00:33:55,610 --> 00:33:52,980 it did not strike me as being something 864 00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,620 familiar however looking at the time I 865 00:33:59,450 --> 00:33:57,600 saw it was clearly not the same thing as 866 00:34:01,610 --> 00:33:59,460 we had seen it as was seen at cosford 867 00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:01,620 and elsewhere as it was much later than 868 00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,140 I saw it that I saw it 869 00:34:08,450 --> 00:34:06,000 I never made anything of it I just 870 00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:08,460 reported what I had seen but Nick Pope 871 00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:10,139 has made a lot of it and put it in his 872 00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:12,300 book I spoke to him afterwards he rang 873 00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,099 me up and he assured me that he had 874 00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:15,599 checked with all the military sources 875 00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:17,940 for aircraft and ruled them out I just 876 00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:20,159 believed him I remember he questioned me 877 00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:22,139 about the shape this was in reference to 878 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:23,580 what the family and rudely had seen 879 00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:25,740 earlier he said could it have been 880 00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,080 triangular and I said it could have been 881 00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,240 which was a bit of a leading question I 882 00:34:34,129 --> 00:34:32,159 suppose but I was just a met officer and 883 00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:34,139 this was the guy from the mod 884 00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:36,419 Nick Pope was very excited about it and 885 00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,859 made a great deal of the fact that I was 886 00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:39,899 an official Observer Etc which was true 887 00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:42,060 he had been running with it ever since 888 00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,099 he said he had checked all the official 889 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,800 records in 1996 when his book came out 890 00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:48,480 everyone was asking questions about it 891 00:34:52,849 --> 00:34:51,000 and a film crew came over from Australia 892 00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,859 and filmed me talking about it at the 893 00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:54,000 Met Office 894 00:34:57,710 --> 00:34:56,040 they also filmed Pope at the flat where 895 00:34:59,210 --> 00:34:57,720 he lived with his mum in London but in 896 00:35:00,530 --> 00:34:59,220 the end they never used the footage in 897 00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:00,540 the show 898 00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:03,060 I was always fairly ambivalent about it 899 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,680 I believe what I was told at the time 900 00:35:09,230 --> 00:35:06,480 but now I'm convinced that what I saw 901 00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,240 has been explained having now seen the 902 00:35:12,349 --> 00:35:11,040 letter in the Daily Mail I have to agree 903 00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:12,359 it was possible I saw a police 904 00:35:16,910 --> 00:35:14,760 helicopter the noise like a humming and 905 00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,920 the Beamer light are very similar also 906 00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:19,440 the a39 road they mentioned was in 907 00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,180 exactly the same place that I saw the 908 00:35:25,069 --> 00:35:24,000 object originally in fact that road Cuts 909 00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:25,079 right through the hill where it was 910 00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:27,420 hovering what I did not see were red and 911 00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:28,920 green lights which you would expect from 912 00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:31,079 a helicopter the lights I saw were both 913 00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:32,339 White 914 00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:36,839 so there you go yeah 915 00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:39,000 this is the witness himself 916 00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,680 you know 917 00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:42,780 sort of saying yeah that's that's pretty 918 00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:44,820 much what I saw I suppose yeah you know 919 00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:47,579 if he'd have seen a genuine giant 920 00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:51,000 triangle the size of a 747 921 00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:53,160 he'd still be saying that here no it was 922 00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,980 definitely huge and triangular and you 923 00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:57,720 know it seems that 924 00:36:02,990 --> 00:35:59,640 those words were put in his mouth you 925 00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:03,000 know possibly I mean we maybe he did see 926 00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:04,740 something inexplicable I mean the the 927 00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:06,540 police helicopter is only a theory and 928 00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:09,839 there is another possibility and 929 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,339 um this is something that Chris flat 930 00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:13,680 Fowler was um talking about on them 931 00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:16,020 social media a few days ago and I'd 932 00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:18,060 completely forgotten about it that I 933 00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:19,500 mentioned earlier that Nick poop had 934 00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:22,200 asked the RAF to um do it like they 935 00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:23,940 actually got the radar tapes from a base 936 00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,800 called clean Hill which is the nearest 937 00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:27,599 radar 938 00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:28,680 um 939 00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:29,700 ground 940 00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:31,980 um sort of scanning radar in that area 941 00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:35,280 and they that they'd um they'd done like 942 00:36:39,050 --> 00:36:37,380 a rerun of the radar tapes for that 943 00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:39,060 particular evening at Nick poop's 944 00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:41,339 request which is quite an unusual thing 945 00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:44,040 for them to do and they produce like a 946 00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:46,440 big list of things that you could see 947 00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:48,660 from the radar tapes and they were 948 00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:50,940 nothing unusual on there and the 949 00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:52,859 conclusions 950 00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,780 um on it read unfortunately I would say 951 00:36:58,490 --> 00:36:56,400 there was nothing unusual seen on the 952 00:37:00,890 --> 00:36:58,500 radar recall record recordings 953 00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,900 um and that seems to be a conclusion but 954 00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:02,640 if you actually look at it as Gary 955 00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:05,579 Anthony did the very last item that 956 00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,280 they've listed number nine clear Hill 957 00:37:12,670 --> 00:37:10,800 there's a squawk which is an actual 958 00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:12,680 response from an actual aircraft 959 00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:16,380 descending on the a25 overhead 960 00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:19,320 strawberry and that's at precisely the 961 00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,660 time corrected to British summer time 962 00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:23,280 that 963 00:37:30,349 --> 00:37:27,060 um the meteorological officer so is UFO 964 00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:30,359 so actually there on the radar 965 00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,420 um display at exactly the time there's 966 00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:36,000 an aircraft on radar descending over 967 00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:37,320 strawberry 968 00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:39,480 now that would have been quite high in 969 00:37:46,190 --> 00:37:43,380 the sky you know several maybe 20 000 970 00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,200 feet something like that I don't know 971 00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:48,240 um and again Nick poop when he was 972 00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:49,500 challenged about this I think on the 973 00:37:52,609 --> 00:37:51,000 channel 5 program said oh yeah yeah 974 00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:52,619 because I was aware of that sorry on the 975 00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:55,079 radar thing but you know the the Met 976 00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:57,060 Office guy said he saw this thing really 977 00:38:02,569 --> 00:38:00,180 low in the sky you know 500 feet 2 000 978 00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:02,579 feet but again 979 00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:06,119 um it's so easy to misidentify something 980 00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:09,300 that locks low in the sky that might not 981 00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:11,220 be low in the sky it all depends on 982 00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:14,579 meteorological conditions and you know 983 00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,160 um things can be very deceiving even to 984 00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:19,440 someone who is familiar with aircraft 985 00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:22,619 working on an Airfield and what you what 986 00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:24,780 is often not taken into account here is 987 00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,560 the UFO state of mind if he'd just 988 00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:30,720 wandered out and seen these lights he'd 989 00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:33,000 probably have just said it's an aircraft 990 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:35,820 but what we're forgetting there is he'd 991 00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:38,700 had this excited phone call only a short 992 00:38:42,829 --> 00:38:40,619 time before from RAF costlin saying 993 00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:42,839 we've just seen this UFO we've had this 994 00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,300 family say they've seen it land so he 995 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,040 was actually primed 996 00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,200 when he went out and saw these lights to 997 00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,359 think that's the UFO even though it was 998 00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,520 an hour and a half later but that's the 999 00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:55,200 thing because they calculated that it 1000 00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:57,420 had flown at Mach 2 plus 1001 00:39:00,770 --> 00:38:59,160 when they've got the times wrong so 1002 00:39:02,569 --> 00:39:00,780 we've got this giant triangular graph 1003 00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:02,579 that's going at Mac two plus that's been 1004 00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:04,920 seen by multiple Witnesses yeah this is 1005 00:39:08,569 --> 00:39:07,140 a big UFO story building here where if 1006 00:39:10,490 --> 00:39:08,579 you look at all the facts when you 1007 00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:10,500 actually get them into order 1008 00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:12,660 they all trickle away and you're back to 1009 00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:14,760 just prosaic explanations and this is 1010 00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:16,020 why 1011 00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:18,180 I find it frustrating that these things 1012 00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:20,220 don't get talked about researched and 1013 00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:22,020 discussed enough because you know well 1014 00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:23,700 that's right they're 30 odd years ago it 1015 00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:25,980 doesn't matter anymore but it does it 1016 00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,200 does finish yeah there's lessons to be 1017 00:39:32,750 --> 00:39:29,760 learned from this I mean if you want to 1018 00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:32,760 investigate UFOs and you believe that 1019 00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:34,380 there is something real and genuinely 1020 00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:36,599 inexplicable as I do 1021 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,339 you've got to be able to show that 1022 00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:41,040 you've got a a very sort of 1023 00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:43,560 um clear methodology for for eliminating 1024 00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:46,140 things that aren't inexplicable that you 1025 00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:47,280 can explain 1026 00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:49,740 and you can almost see a flap like this 1027 00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,020 is almost like a training exercise 1028 00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,540 whereby you know and and this is what 1029 00:39:58,849 --> 00:39:56,640 before uh Jenny Randall's Gary Anthony 1030 00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,859 it was there was they were a great sort 1031 00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:01,440 of bunch of people back in the 90s and 1032 00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:03,900 you know they were really on this as 1033 00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,700 soon as it happened they'd explained it 1034 00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:07,980 the bizarre thing was that Nick Pope and 1035 00:40:11,690 --> 00:40:10,200 the ministry of defense was so baffled 1036 00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:11,700 by it for so long 1037 00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:13,619 and I can only assume it's because they 1038 00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:15,180 had a will to believe 1039 00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,880 that might have been sort of generated 1040 00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:19,680 by what had gone on before with the 1041 00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:22,500 Calvin photograph and all the 1042 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,780 speculation about Aurora because when 1043 00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:26,880 Nick Pope writes his report and he Flags 1044 00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,859 it up to his head of division and he 1045 00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:31,440 copies it to di55 it's all framed in 1046 00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:32,760 this perhaps we ought to ask the 1047 00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:34,619 Americans about this whether they were 1048 00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:37,560 operating something over the UK that we 1049 00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:39,420 don't know about I mean again if there's 1050 00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:42,119 a couple of extracts from his report you 1051 00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,560 might want to show 1052 00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:45,599 yeah 1053 00:40:51,890 --> 00:40:50,220 conclusion given what what he said the 1054 00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:51,900 summary of what happened it would not 1055 00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,940 seem sufficient to Simply write these 1056 00:40:58,490 --> 00:40:56,160 sightings off seems that an unidentified 1057 00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:58,500 object to the origin was operating in 1058 00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:00,900 the UK air defense region without being 1059 00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,240 detected on radar and it would appear to 1060 00:41:06,650 --> 00:41:05,040 be of considerable defense significance 1061 00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:06,660 and I recommend that we investigate 1062 00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:09,540 further within mod or with the US 1063 00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:11,700 Authority so again why the U.S 1064 00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:14,040 authorities again it's obviously a 1065 00:41:19,450 --> 00:41:16,260 reference to the suspicion that was 1066 00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:19,460 shared by his head of division 1067 00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:23,460 yes and by the di55 desk officer that 1068 00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:26,040 the Americans were flying something 1069 00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:27,180 um that they weren't telling us about 1070 00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:29,460 and this again harks back to what had 1071 00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,260 gone on before with the Belgian flap and 1072 00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:33,599 the Calvin photographs and the rumors 1073 00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,220 about something being based at Raf 1074 00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:36,960 macrihanish that the Americans are 1075 00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:39,780 operating in secrecy so it seems to have 1076 00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:43,380 fed into the cosford flap in 1993. now 1077 00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:46,380 all that stuff was copied as far as the 1078 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:48,540 assistant chief of the air staff 1079 00:41:54,170 --> 00:41:52,020 a very senior RAF official who basically 1080 00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,180 looked at it and said I've made contact 1081 00:41:57,650 --> 00:41:56,160 with the Americans and it's they had 1082 00:42:00,589 --> 00:41:57,660 they didn't have anything fine and you 1083 00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:00,599 can see someone has said there you can 1084 00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:02,820 see this the scribble at the top here 1085 00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,280 two lots of scribble one of them is Nick 1086 00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:07,920 poops handwriting this one's a pope here 1087 00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:10,440 yeah the far Eyes Nick poops and the one 1088 00:42:15,470 --> 00:42:13,260 at the side is his um is his boss who is 1089 00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:15,480 the real head of the UFO desk 1090 00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:18,359 and as you can see thank you 1091 00:42:22,730 --> 00:42:20,700 um I suggest you now drop this subject 1092 00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:22,740 so it's basically saying yeah good good 1093 00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:24,780 job Nick you've done all you can now 1094 00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:26,480 let's drop it please 1095 00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:28,920 absolutely and I mentioned to you before 1096 00:42:32,410 --> 00:42:30,420 we came on we were talking about it and 1097 00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:32,420 you know it would it would have been 1098 00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,700 di55 that would have done any proper 1099 00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:37,440 investigation going out into the field 1100 00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:38,579 but 1101 00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:40,200 they didn't even 1102 00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:43,079 bother no I mean their their file on 1103 00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:44,760 this case was released at the National 1104 00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,859 Archives just last year but I'd had a 1105 00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:49,680 copy of it since about 2005 and I was 1106 00:42:54,250 --> 00:42:51,180 really disappointed when I got it 1107 00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:54,260 because it's just it's just the 1108 00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:56,579 photocopies of the same stuff that's in 1109 00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:58,200 Nick poops file with a couple of extra 1110 00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:01,619 sheets saying did a UFO visit the UK 1111 00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:04,380 they're clearly not falling down on the 1112 00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:05,579 job a bit on this one they haven't 1113 00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,160 actually done anything more uh with it 1114 00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,280 and and they did contact filing Dales 1115 00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:13,200 now Aria filing Dale's in North 1116 00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:15,780 Yorkshire which coincidentally I I drove 1117 00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:17,339 past only a couple of nights ago on my 1118 00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:19,800 way back from Whitby and that that's the 1119 00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:21,420 big sort of early warning station that's 1120 00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:23,700 got the Over the Horizon Radar Radar 1121 00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:25,560 that looks out towards the distant 1122 00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:28,200 Horizon and they're the ones who plot 1123 00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,319 objects in orbit and Nick poop you can 1124 00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:33,599 see from the file he did contact them 1125 00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:37,020 and they did confirm that this um 1126 00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:40,140 Cosmos rocket body and burnt up but they 1127 00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:43,440 again they gave him the the time in GMT 1128 00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:45,660 are you just after midnight rather than 1129 00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:48,480 correcting it for British summer time so 1130 00:43:56,510 --> 00:43:52,980 all all the clues to solve this case 1131 00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:56,520 were staring the ministry of Defense in 1132 00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:58,020 their faith and they seem to have 1133 00:44:02,569 --> 00:43:59,880 completely disregarded them and gone off 1134 00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:02,579 on this weird tangent that it was either 1135 00:44:07,069 --> 00:44:05,220 the Aurora spy plane or some mysterious 1136 00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:07,079 craft from outer space 1137 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:09,240 and I think there's an element of a wish 1138 00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,660 a want to believe going on here and 1139 00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,880 don't forget this is the era just when 1140 00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,260 the when the I think I think it was 1141 00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,720 later in 1993 or was it 94 when the 1142 00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:21,359 X-Files premiered on British TV I think 1143 00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,160 in the UK it was 94 but I think it was 1144 00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,200 93 us yeah 1145 00:44:29,569 --> 00:44:27,599 so there was a big buzz about the whole 1146 00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,579 subject of this time and I think um 1147 00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:31,440 there was a several people at the 1148 00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:33,000 ministry of Defense who wanted to 1149 00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:35,339 believe not just Nick Pope at the time 1150 00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:37,859 and I think that's fed into how this 1151 00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:40,800 case has been transformed from what is a 1152 00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:43,440 pretty uninteresting yeah group of 1153 00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:45,599 sightings of lights in the sky which in 1154 00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,839 any other context even the most seasoned 1155 00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:50,460 ufologists would have would have 1156 00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:53,460 concluded this is space junk there's 1157 00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:55,140 lots of other examples of similar 1158 00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,900 examples of this and of course if you 1159 00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:00,000 pick up if you pick a night or two 1160 00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:04,260 nights randomly in any calendar year and 1161 00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:06,300 let's let's let's use the ministry of 1162 00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:09,359 Defense UFO files because if you go and 1163 00:45:14,329 --> 00:45:11,880 you download those files from there it 1164 00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:14,339 pretty much covers from about 1987 to 1165 00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:16,920 1997 you can just pick a sample of dates 1166 00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:19,140 you will find any random Dean you will 1167 00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:21,660 find that there'll be a site in at eight 1168 00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:23,579 o'clock in West Midlands there'll be a 1169 00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:26,099 site in it they're half past 11 in Kent 1170 00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:28,140 there'll be another one um at midnight 1171 00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,460 in Scotland 1172 00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,680 so what they're all caused by different 1173 00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:34,200 things yeah so in this particular 1174 00:45:38,329 --> 00:45:35,940 instance you've got this massive cluster 1175 00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:38,339 of probably 70 or 80 witness reports 1176 00:45:42,770 --> 00:45:40,140 around one in the morning and then 1177 00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:42,780 you've got a few before midnight down in 1178 00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:45,720 the southwest which um I think it's been 1179 00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,099 suggested that some of those may have 1180 00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,920 been um Royal Navy seeking helicopters 1181 00:45:55,550 --> 00:45:52,400 and we know we're operating from Europe 1182 00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:55,560 30th of March 93 two seeking helicopters 1183 00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,380 flying from our Nas Yeovil turn were 1184 00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:00,480 active in a low-flying area up to up 1185 00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:04,020 until midnight yeah so potentially some 1186 00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:05,400 of the sightings down in the southwest 1187 00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:07,560 and Doug Cooper collected I think there 1188 00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,780 was um a couple of fishermen who were 1189 00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:11,280 out elving 1190 00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:13,260 um on the in the somerset levels and 1191 00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:14,700 they saw something like a big glass 1192 00:46:20,750 --> 00:46:17,339 bottom thing weirdly shaped object with 1193 00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:20,760 lights in a triangular formation 1194 00:46:25,309 --> 00:46:22,980 um that's one of the ones that Nick poop 1195 00:46:26,809 --> 00:46:25,319 has sort of picked out has been can't be 1196 00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:26,819 explained by the Russian rocket body 1197 00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:29,220 well nobody's suggesting that 1198 00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,560 um it was but it could have been one of 1199 00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:33,119 these seeking helicopters or something 1200 00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:36,119 else of that nature it just because it 1201 00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:37,619 happened then it doesn't mean say it was 1202 00:46:41,089 --> 00:46:38,940 connected with either the cosford 1203 00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,099 reports or the cosford or the strawberry 1204 00:46:45,410 --> 00:46:43,260 one yeah which was later in the evening 1205 00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,420 so these are all random 1206 00:46:50,210 --> 00:46:48,720 see random sightings all caused by lots 1207 00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,220 of different things have all been lumped 1208 00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:52,319 together into what's become known as the 1209 00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:55,079 cosford incident yeah and I mean I was 1210 00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:58,260 looking at old uh Daily Star and discern 1211 00:47:02,450 --> 00:47:00,180 articles because that's where it gets 1212 00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:02,460 repeated every few years and it was 1213 00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:05,099 literally showing maps of triangles 1214 00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:08,280 going triangle plotted going from you 1215 00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:10,680 know North West England down all you 1216 00:47:14,569 --> 00:47:12,660 know and it's like this is how these 1217 00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:14,579 things get so blown out of proportion 1218 00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:17,339 that this is again I'll reiterate this 1219 00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,800 is why these cases need bringing back up 1220 00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:22,079 looking into again and really setting 1221 00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:23,880 the record straight because 1222 00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,800 it just muddies the Waters of this 1223 00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:27,599 subject which you're muddy enough as it 1224 00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:29,400 is so yeah I think that's that's why we 1225 00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:32,040 needed to I wanted to highlight this so 1226 00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:33,780 yeah I think we've covered everything 1227 00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,359 with regards I think so yeah yeah but as 1228 00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:38,160 you say really this this is like one of 1229 00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,720 those Fair Ground 1230 00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:41,760 um things into it when you're giving a 1231 00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:43,079 bigger hammer and you have to sort of 1232 00:47:46,609 --> 00:47:45,240 knock the the little guys that are 1233 00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:46,619 sticking up and as soon as you know 1234 00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:49,020 another one comes up so it's like you 1235 00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:50,819 can't kill it this this story because 1236 00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:53,400 it's been in the tabloids and because 1237 00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:55,260 you know the former head of the um 1238 00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:57,660 Ministry of defenses the UFO desk keeps 1239 00:48:02,569 --> 00:48:00,540 banging on about it it's good he's going 1240 00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:02,579 to achieve mythical status yeah it's 1241 00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:04,980 impossible to kill it off even even 1242 00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,180 though when you put it under the 1243 00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,400 microscope it just Falls to pieces 1244 00:48:13,250 --> 00:48:10,079 yeah and don't get me wrong I'd love it 1245 00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,260 to be a general exotic huge triangle but 1246 00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:15,839 you know that wouldn't be me doing what 1247 00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,819 I I need to be doing which is looking at 1248 00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:19,920 it properly with the right head on my 1249 00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,780 shoulders so you know apologies to 1250 00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:23,940 anybody out there well no I'm not sorry 1251 00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,900 in fact you know I'm just following the 1252 00:48:32,089 --> 00:48:29,040 data and I think that's what everybody 1253 00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,099 needs to do on every single case and not 1254 00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,640 let their biases and stuff play in in 1255 00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:37,200 you know courses 1256 00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:39,660 in those files there are plenty of other 1257 00:48:44,569 --> 00:48:42,720 far more mysterious inexplicable 1258 00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:44,579 um accounts of sightings and experiences 1259 00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,640 in this one and it just pains me that so 1260 00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,200 much time and energy is wasted on 1261 00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:51,839 something that is that was explained and 1262 00:48:58,370 --> 00:48:55,619 has been explained adequately so it just 1263 00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:58,380 distracts from the really good 1264 00:49:02,030 --> 00:48:59,700 um case evidence 1265 00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:02,040 that is there and the tends to get 1266 00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:03,000 ignored 1267 00:49:06,589 --> 00:49:04,980 yeah yeah 1268 00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:06,599 um you know I need to make another visit 1269 00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:08,339 down to the archives and find some of 1270 00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:10,020 these cases because there's some gems in 1271 00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:11,880 there there really is but well listen 1272 00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:13,260 David thank you so much I really 1273 00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,660 appreciate it and um yeah to everyone 1274 00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,240 who is watching this is the last video 1275 00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:20,640 that I am making before I head back out 1276 00:49:26,089 --> 00:49:24,420 to Colombia and but I will be uploading 1277 00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:26,099 some interesting 1278 00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,260 content from Colombia let's say I went I 1279 00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:30,240 won't say too much and then we've heard 1280 00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:32,040 also rumors of some more hearings 1281 00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,339 happening uh potentially in April uh in 1282 00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:37,680 the US so uh there may be well there may 1283 00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:38,940 well be some content coming out 1284 00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:41,400 regarding those again watch this space 1285 00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:43,020 but for now everyone thank you so much 1286 00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,180 for watching and I'll see you all soon